video on August 14 of a BAe-146 air tanker dropping retardant on a fire. Tanker 02, a BAe-146, dropping on the Elephant Butte Fire southwest of Denver, July 13, 2020. In March of this year they demonstrated it dropping water at the Aerial Firefighting Conference at Sacramento. It generated many comments, with one person writing “it doesn’t appear to be a problem” while others considered it a good cautionary learning opportunity. The BAe 146-100QC is the convertible passenger/freight version and the BAe 14… Tanker 01 is currently working for the U.S. Forest Service on an exclusive use contract. Despite continuing United States Forest Service (USFS) budget issues, contracts recently awarded for the 2018 fire season show that the BAE Systems-built and supported BAe 146/Avro RJ Airtanker will be the most numerous aircraft to be deployed on these demanding missions. It has two BAe 146-200 that will be available for the 2015 fire season. Screenshot from the video below. Friday two BAe-146’s were parked on the ramp at Missoula, 10 and 12, while two others, 02 and 15, were in the hangar for heavy maintenance. Neptune Aviation assembled their five BAe-146 air tankers on the tarmac at Missoula for picture day. Tankers 03 (msn E2192), 12 (msn E2196), and 41 (msn E2136) had left Missoula for California on 8 November. Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Marcel. Hope to see others follow suit as narratives like this remind us all to be diligent. Despite continuing United States Forest Service (USFS) budget issues, contracts recently awarded for the 2018 fire season show that the BAE Systems-built and supported BAe 146/Avro RJ Airtanker will be the most numerous aircraft to be deployed on these demanding missions. According to BAE Systems there are likely to be 18 of the aircraft that are operational by later this year and there are four more in various levels of conversion. The lightning-caused fire has burned over 32,000 acres eight miles northwest of Wheatland, Wyoming. Neptune Aviation Services released this photo of the first of their BAe-146 air tankers to receive new livery. Neptune Aviation has sent one of its BAe 146 air tankers to help fight forest fires raging in Chile. It’s possible that a storm is moving in, with anticipation of a wind increase or shift, and drops begin in advance of that wind change. Author Bill Gabbert Posted on August 29, 2019 Categories Fixed wing Tags Redmond, T-01, T-10, T-12, T-40. At the end of this video of a retardant drop by Neptune’s Tanker 01, a BAe-146, you will hear a four-letter word. A lookout staffing a fire tower saw that P2V fly into a cloud bank as it was preparing to land at San Bernardino. Re-engining with 2 larger engines instead of 4 APUs would yield some wing potential, but it would still be very tight. U.S. Forest Service on an exclusive use contract, The demise of the Minden Air BAe-146 program, A lookout staffing a fire tower saw that P2V, we visited their hangar in Chico, California, Videos of air tanker drops at the Britania Mountain Fire, the ones photographed at Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport (JEFFCO), Wildfire Today has more information about the Britania Mountain Fire, Four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers are deployed. News; Operators; Home » Air tanker. Basically, it's too small to be of much appeal as a tanker. By the end of the 2015 fire season, Neptune’s BAe 146 fleet had flown 1269 missions, dispensing over 3,715,000 gallons of … What I need to know when entering the drop is that I can exit with the load on board, if I can’t lose the load. There is a chance some of them could be busy during the next few days since lightning occurred in southern Oregon and northern California yesterday. Rick McClure, a free-lance photographer for the Associated Press and fire publications, got this spectacular photo of Tanker 41, a BAe-146, dropping on the Devore Fire … The company only has four on exclusive use (EU) contracts this year, which is a reduction from 2017 when they had seven BAe-146’s and four P2V’s on EU. Check out, time dilation. Photo Credit: U.S. Forest Service. Today we learned about two videos that were shot in September as Air Spray was putting their BAe-146 air tanker through the grid test at Fox Field in Southern California. THANK YOU DOUG for your experienced, reasoned, fact-filled posts. Up to 15 were authorized to be transferred and as of today Neptune is working on their seventh, with the eighth soon to follow. The first video of the Super Scooper on the lake shows the CL-415 variant. They may well have found themselves in a place they didn’t intend to be. And, a Single Engine Air Tanker on the Paint Mine Fire three miles northwest of Nephi, Utah. All of the P2V air tankers with their two 18-cylinder radial engines and two small jet engines are now retired, U.S. Forest Service reduced the number of large air tankers on EU contracts from 20 in 2017 to 13 in 2018, Neptune has a contract to refurbish the C-23B Sherpa aircraft, Three large air tankers are working the bushfire in Western Australia, Triple Nickles, paratroopers who fought wildfires during World War II, Photos of PBY-6A air tankers from the 1960s and 1970s, Chief Ranger/Pilot for Alaska’s Northern National Parklands Receives National Aviation Safety Award. Wildfire Today has learned that Tanker 40, the jet-powered air tanker being developed by … The new air tanker will be several decades younger … Following trials with the US Forest Service in Montana, the 146 … Brenton Soule shot these videos at the Britania Mountain Fire in southeast Wyoming. So long as the crew had a good visual on the ridge in planning their exit, it doesn’t appear to be a problem. It is possible that the remaining Sherpas may only be used for parts, Mr. Condit said. The number of RJ85 and BAe-146 air tankers continues to grow. Above: T-10 (a BAe-146), another BAe-146, and an RJ85 (center) at La Grande, OR. However, it could fill the role of a tactical tanker, or stop-gap for those air forces who cannot afford anything newer / larger (whichever applies to the RAF et al). The BAe-146 was manufactured in 1989 and Minden acquired it, serial number E2111, in January 2009. It’s so much fun to sit on the bleachers and fuss and cuss, but Gabbert and the rest of us are fortunate to have some commentary from you. Mr. Condit said the maintenance personnel like them better because they are more nimble and easier to maneuver at tanker bases and motel parking lots. TANKER 02 (N474NA) British Aerospace BAE 146-200A (E2084). All of the P2V air tankers with their two 18-cylinder radial engines and two small jet engines are now retired, and most will find homes in museums. Problems with hydraulic systems led to landing gear failures on two P2Vs, T-48 and T-55, taking out Minden’s last two operational air tankers, which no doubt affected their incoming revenue stream. They have since been joined by Tankers … TANKER 10 (N472NA) 1989 British Aerospace (E2138) Neptune. A BAe-146 exits the target area after making a retardant drop. Ground effect and the height at which wingtip vortices will begin to pick up dust like that, is about half the wingspan. Having a good visual on the exit terrain and knowing you have the performance to clear it (especially if the load failed to exit) are two different things. Photo Credit: U.S. Forest Service. Please, take this as a learning opportunity that no one had to die for. TANKER 06 (N9855F) 1953 Lockheed P2V-5F Neptune (131445). It was reported around 3 p.m. on Monday July 13 and the spread was stopped at 6:30 p.m. Tuesday July 14 by good work from firefighters in the air and on the ground, with a big assist from rain. The most important thing is that this video captures hazard of “hidden ridge lines”. There is a chance some of them could be busy during the next few days since lightning occurred in southern Oregon and northern … From 1986, The Queen's Flight of the RAF acquired a total of three 146-100s, designated BAe 146 CC2. TANKER 00 (Aero Union) Lockheed P-3 Orion 3000 gallons, based in California. The company’s announcement said the new design has both. While conducting retardant operations I descended below a ridge crossing altitude. They were uploaded to Facebook August 30, 2018. We attempted to call Mr. Christy and Minden’s CEO, Len Parker, to get more information but the number we had used before no longer works. Typos or errors, report them, on The demise of the Minden Air BAe-146 program. The number of RJ85 and BAe-146 air tankers continues to grow. TANKER 07 (N807NA) 1954 Lockheed P2V-5 Neptune (131424). It did not emerge and shortly thereafter they saw what appeared to be smoke at the top of the cloud. Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Brian. Angles, elevations, etc, can all look different than what they actually are, thanks to the perspective of the photographer, and a lack of overall context. From Concepción, Tanker 16 has been used mainly for initial attack on fires thought to have… The air tankers could be the ones photographed at Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport (JEFFCO) September 2, 2018. Neptune has a contract to refurbish the C-23B Sherpa aircraft that the U.S. Forest Service acquired from the U.S. Army. A few days later, T-40 was on her way to … The number of RJ85 and BAe-146 air tankers continues to grow. Thursday, January 26, 2012 . Here is a link to a company, Minden Air Corporation, that is converting a BAe-146 into a fire tanker. That was a close call, no other way to put it. on Neptune adopts new livery for their air tankers, on Photos of aircraft on the Elephant Butte Fire, part 2 of 5, on More details possibly emerge about air tanker’s hazardous exit out of drop area, Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Ryan. According to BAE Systems there are likely to be 18 of the aircraft that are operational by later this year and there are four more in various levels of conversion.. It remains to be seen if the images of vegetation turn out to be camouflage, making it difficult to be seen by other aircraft when it is flying close to the ground.  The “N” number is hard to read (it’s N907AS) but that could be easily fixed. The 146 first flew in 1981 while the RJ85 was first delivered in 1993. Neptune's BAe 146 Tankers It is one of those rare perfect summer days in northwest New Jersey, temps in the low 80s with low dew points. There is no cost, and in case you change your mind each email has an unsubscribe button. Click here. Wildfire Today has more information about the Britania Mountain Fire which has burned over 32,000 acres eight miles northwest of Wheatland, Wyoming. Photo: Google Street View, April, 2015. More news on BAe-146 tankers In late September BAe-146, T-40 (Neptune Aviation and Tronos) received interim approval from the Interagency Air Tanker Board. Air Spray USA Ltd. of Chico, California has also converted the BAe 146 jetliner to the role of air tanker. Click here to see the series of five installments of photos of aircraft on the Elephant Butte Fire. on Four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers are deployed, “Four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers are deployed”, Neptune adopts new livery for their air tankers, Photos of aircraft on the Elephant Butte Fire, part 2 of 5, More details possibly emerge about air tanker’s hazardous exit out of drop area. Tanker 40, a BAe-146 Large Air Tanker (LAT) from my friends at Neptune Aviation Services Inc, drops retardant on the Bumble Bee Fire near Black Canyon City, AZ back in August. I’ve dropped in the middle of fires when there’s containment on the outside, for cattle, structures, and other things that are within the fire interior; the fire may be burning elsewhere but that doesn’t mean it’s secure inside the fire line. Again, if you’ve never experienced that, you’re in your first season. They will be posted daily from July 17 through July 21, 2020. The company has a total of nine BAe-146 jet-powered air tankers. Using a 146/RJ as a strategic tanker may not be a good option. Friday, January 06, 2012 . The engine nacelles are entirely different from its CL-215 brethren. Above: Three of Neptune Aviation’s BAe-146’s at Missoula, May 25, 2018. Neptune is changing their thinking, and is moving from trailers pulled by trucks to large van-type vehicles without a trailer. The T-46 project had progressed to conducting a grid test, which involves dropping retardant over a grid of more than 3,000 cups on the ground. Jason Stabile sent us this photo showing four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers at Redmond, OR August 29. Got a complaint? Another five are at Missoula, MT and Alamagordo, NM. This was NOT on purpose. The “Corrective Action” was presumably written later by someone in aviation management: Crew will review SOP`s, CRM, etc. NEWEST AIR SPRAY AIRCRAFT BAe 146 Tankers! The Elephant Butte Fire burned about 50 acres on steep terrain southwest of Denver two miles northwest of Evergreen Lake, Colorado. CAL FIRE (CDF) S2T Tanker 71 working Sawtooth Complex Fire (2006) Sawtooth Complex Fire (Sept. 2006), San Bernardino County CA. The BAE 146 is a four engine jet powered, large capacity air tanker for the control of wild fires. The new paint scheme will make it easier for both air and ground observers to identify Neptune aircraft. Recent news items on Neptune … I tunnel visioned the drop, and continued down. According to BAE Systems there are likely to be 18 of the aircraft that are operational by later this year and there are four more in various levels of conversion. We do a lot of drops where there are no smoke and flames; sometimes to support a line that’s being put in such as reinforcing a dozer line, sometimes to work ahead of a line going in, sometimes to pre-treat an area, sometimes to extend a line ahead to prevent fire spread, sometimes to reinforce an area where the line is weak or inaccessible by ground crews, etc. Race car drivers as they begin to spin, feel the wall is not that close. The aircraft appears to be nearing the completion of its 5-year conversion. With rising terrain on the exit, it’s very possible to have reduced clearance on the way out, so not too surprising. Click here. The NTSB described it as “controlled flight into mountainous terrain”. In the video Mr. Cristy said the test went well. Quite true. Air Spray has been working on this aircraft since at least March of 2014 when we visited their hangar in Chico, California. The amount in each cup is measured to determine the quantity of retardant and the uniformity of the pattern. The two quad-jet aircraft are similar — both are made by BAE — and can carry up to about 3,000 gallons of retardant utilizing gravity to empty the tanks. I have exited with less terrain clearance than I had on the drop itself, thousands of times. Conair is the largest air tanker operator in the world with a fleet of around 50 fixed-wing special mission aircraft, including Convair 580s, Conair Firecats, Douglas DC-6s, and Lockheed Electra air tankers. With his permission, we will showing you some of his shots in five installments. This is one of the Missoula company’s seven BAe-146-200s. Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Brian. Originally built as a passenger airliner, the BAE 146 is extremely fast and capable of carrying over 3000 gallons of fire retardant in its internal tank system. This just in! Typos or errors, report them HERE. The Elephant Butte Fire burned about 50 acres on steep terrain southwest of Denver two miles northwest of Evergreen Lake, Colorado. Tronos photo. We turned a herd of cows in Montana pink once, that would have otherwise likely been killed (and the rancher threatened to sue…). Powered by four ALF502R-3 engines mounted under the wings, the three available versions have a passenger capacity of 70 to 110. The terrain was flattish and rolling, and the drop point slightly lower than the surrounding terrain; deceptively so, but required a climb that turned out to be considerably more than it appeared. BAe-146-200 makes its first drop on October 28, 2009. The DC-10s operated by 10 Tanker will begin receiving new paint in January, John Gould, President and CEO of 10 Tanker told us. Canada-based company Tronos has developed a fire fighting airtanker version of the BAE 146 airliner. that a BAe-146 can carry). Monday, July 11, 2016. >Ground effect and the height at which wingtip vortices will begin to pick up dust like that, is about half the wingspan.<. Tanker 01 getting ready to depart Spokane for Missoula. Cutting it close on a fire retardant drop. I didn’t defend it, and I wasn’t flying it. News & commentary about aerial firefighting, air tankers, and helicopters, The DC-10s operated by 10 Tanker will begin receiving new paint in January. In October AvGeek filmed a report about Minden Air Corp at the Minden Airport 45 miles south of Reno, Nevada. “quiet on the set!” Cameras start rolling. Overall BAe 146 operations across the U.S. and Chile during 2017 totalled 3,192 missions, accumulating 2,371 hours, and delivering 9,524,550 gallons of retardant (36,050,422 litres). Search for: Recent Posts. on Air Spray tests their BAe-146 air tanker. Here is a link to a company, Minden Air Corporation, that is converting a BAe-146 into a fire tanker. Good drop, good drop height. Very quickly, I can think of a few events in the past few years in which the terrain was deceptive in lay, color, and lighting. — Aviões e Músicas (@avioesemusicas) August 13, 2019. The BAe 146 can carry up to 3,000 gallons of fire fighting retardant. 10 Tanker Air Carrier says their DC-10 can haul retardant to a fire at less than half the cost of a BAe-146 air tanker. Thanks and a tip of the hat go out to Marcel. Conair Group in Canada and Falko have entered into an exclusive agreement to market the Avro RJ 85/ BAe 146-200 as a type 1 airtanker carrying at least 3,000 gallons. Teaching new ag pilots I use this term. CAL FIRE (CDF) S2T Tanker 71 working Sawtooth Complex Fire (2006) Sawtooth Complex Fire (Sept. 2006), San Bernardino County CA. Box 607 Adelanto, CA 92301 (760) 246-8288 Website: www.10tanker.com The concept was biased towards a fighter CAP operation, reminiscent of the Lightning days with Buccaneer support. I got into the drop and found it wasn’t good, wouldn’t have dropped when I saw how much the terrain came up on the exit, but put the load out anyway because I felt I needed the performance, and exited. As I stated, this was NOT on purpose. Photo Credit: U.S. Forest Service. Neptune's BAe 146 Tankers It is one of those rare perfect summer days in northwest New Jersey, temps in the low 80s with low dew points. It’s also possible that when a video is shot, we’re seeing only a portion of the fire; the active fire may be elsewhere and this may be tying off a spot fire, isolating a fire run, protecting a terrain feature such as a ridge or draw or island etc, or there may be something specific in the drop area that needs additional protection. Typos or errors, report them HERE. — Aviões e Músicas (@avioesemusicas) August 13, 2019. And, a Single Engine Air Tanker on the Paint Mine Fire three miles northwest of Nephi, Utah. Every drop is a learning experience, whether our own or another. The BAe 146 is a small regional jetliner family, offering quiet, efficient operations with a distance of up to 1500 Nautical miles. Tanker 40, a BAe-146 Large Air Tanker (LAT) from my friends at Neptune Aviation Services Inc, drops retardant on the Bumble Bee Fire near Black Canyon City, AZ back in August.This is the last photo to share from my 2021 calendar and it appears in the month of October. The crew can do that if they wish. This year we are attempting to get photos of the maintenance support vehicles that follow air tankers around from base to base. 29/08/2019. Monday, July 11, 2016. Moving to the front of the plane, we end up in a flight deck with hardly any digital instrumentation. Above: Conair/Aero Flite Avro RJ85 Airtanker operating in California. Have a fire aviation news tip? If it hasn’t happened to you, it’s probably be your first season. IIRC the design specs for the 146 ‘STA’ tanker version included 2 wing pods in addition to a centerline hose. At the end of this video of a retardant drop by Neptune’s Tanker 01, a BAe-146, you will hear a four-letter word. Continue reading “Four of Neptune’s BAe-146 air tankers are deployed”, Have a fire aviation news tip? The U.S. Forest Service reduced the number of large air tankers on EU contracts from 20 in 2017 to 13 in 2018. Well, the engineering got expensive as all get-out”. Air Spray is currently owns 5 BAE 146 aircraft for conversion to air tanker aircraft. Like the other operators of large air tankers, Neptune Aviation is finishing the necessary off-season work on their fleet and are putting some of them to work. Did you notice the dust being kicked up as the aircraft skimmed over the ridge? 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